I Hate Wind Turbines

Aug
31
2011
Ian details a conversation he had at the Hillside Music Festival with someone who has "Wind Concerns"
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"I hate wind turbines".....

Well not me personally, but I sure hear from a lot of people that do.  Out of all the environmental issues I have ever spoken to people about no issue seems to be more polarizing than wind energy in Ontario.  It seems that you either see wind farms as steps being taken to turn Ontario into a hub of renewable energy production, or you see them as an eyesore and potential health hazard.

In fact the anti-wind movement has become so aggressive that people in some communities are afraid to speak up and counter the misinformation being spread.

How widespread are concerns about wind energy? Consider this story:

Environmental Defence spent a weekend this summer with a booth a the Hillside Music Festival in Guelph, Ontario.  The Hillside Festival is a weekend long event with music and art performances, as well as workshops on topics such as "Living Sustainably", "Build Your Own Solar Powered Food Dehydrator", and "Belly Dancing for Goddesses".  I don't want to boil this issue down to a left-wing ideals versus right-wing ideals debate but you might think that at a festival where we are surrounded by drum circles, composting workshops, and multi-day hacky sack competitions that we would not speak with too many people who were opposed to Ontario's efforts to increase renewable energy production through wind, but we did!

One particular conversation I had during the weekend sticks out in my mind:
On the Sunday afternoon I ran into a man who was wearing a tie-dye t-shirt, possibly because he took the "Tie Dye with Food" workshop with Allana Gurr on Saturday at 4pm.  Despite the psychedelic nature of his clothing, this man was not in favor of wind turbines and was concerned about the health impacts on nearby communities.
I asked him why he was concerned and he said that he had heard the sound from wind turbines could cause problems with sleep, or cause people to develop migraines.  Having spoken with people with similar concerns before I was able to show him that repeated studies from around the world have consistently shown that there is zero evidence of health impacts on communities living near wind turbines.  I told him if he was still concerned about health issues resulting from energy production in Ontario the best people to consult are doctors, or perhaps the Ontario College of Family Physicians might have some insight.  He took some time to read through our "Blowing Smoke" report, we discussed other wind myths and he seemed relieved if not confused as to how these beliefs about health impacts could be so widespread when there is absolutely no evidence to back them up.

After speaking with my new tie-dyed friend a little while longer we decided to jam out to some Bob Marley tunes, got matching henna tattoos, then organized a pick-up game of Ultimate Frisbee...OK, none of that happened, but he did walk away having all of his "Wind Concerns" alleviated.

It took all of fifteen minutes to explain to my new buddy why he shouldn't be concerned about wind turbines near his community, how renewable energy creates jobs, allows us to phase out coal, is viable and efficient, and why the Green Energy Act is an important piece of legislation that needs protecting.  So if these fears are so easily conquered why are anti-wind rallies in Ontario now drawing hundreds? Why aren't the answers to these concerns getting to the communities that need them?

I certainly can't blame anyone living in a community near new or proposed wind projects from being a little concerned initially.  Put yourself in the following scenario: You live in a nice Ontario town like Goderich or Port Dover, you and your family enjoy a peaceful life in a friendly community, you have never researched wind turbines (or coal or nuclear plants for that matter), and you are suddenly given notice that the government has awarded a contract to a company to build large steel wind turbines near your home.  At the very least you would be filled with questions.  If you reacted to that scenario by saying "Sure, I'd be fine with that, anyone can build anything they want near my home and I will simply accept that it is for the best" then you just aren't a cautious enough person.

Of course you would have concerns and of course you would have questions, but the good news is that there are answers to both that would ease your mind completely.  The bad news is that in many cases those answers aren't getting to the people who are looking for them, and in fact there is an opportunistic group travelling around from town to town feeding into those fears with misinformation.

My tie-dyed friend now feels safe having wind turbines near his community, but if we want to protect the Green Energy Act we are going to have to do a better job at countering the misinformation that is being spread, and we are going to have to do it before October 6th.

Oh and in case you are interested, blueberries, beet juice, and mustard seed all can be used to tie dye your t-shirt!

 

 

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Aug
31
2011

I love the look of windmills.


says:

I love the look of windmills. They are so elegant looking and graceful.....telephone poles and oil refineries not so much.

Sep
01
2011

Wind Turbines


says:

You need to read the report from the Ministry of the Environment on the valid placement due to sound issues from wind turbines. May already installed have been installed inside the safe zone as defined by the Ministry. Wind Turbines are not environmental friendly to build, maintain or run. The power produced is wasteful compared to the environmental costs to build. Anyone who lives near or downwind of a Wind Turbine will tell you of the irritant at minimum or a cause for headaches and sleepless ness from the constant noise. Think about it logically, these are large industrial machines not pretty little plastic whirlly bird fans as the writer would have you believe. They are expensive to produce and are not environmentally friendly. The companies making these industrial machines and installing them are getting astronomically inflated prices for the kilowatts produced.

Sep
01
2011

Countering a few common 'wind-myths'


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Wind turbines have been used successfully in Europe for over 20 years now. The technology has been so successful in fact, that the EU is set to go from 84GW to 230GW in the next decade. The technology has continually improved, and the costs to install them keep dropping. In spite of the many myths being perpetuated by fear based anti-wind groups - wind is one of the cleanest, safest forms of electricity generation there is. The environmental benefits are also well established - as wind directly displaces electricity generated by fossil fuels.

The costs are reasonable too. Under Ontario's FIT program - producers are paid a transparent 13.5 cents per kw/hr to install wind. When compared with the equivalent price of new sources of electricity such as nuclear, this is a bargain. The FIT prices are designed to be reviewed every two years - the first review is coming this fall. The price of wind will never rise, something that cannot be said for sources requiring fuel.

Anyone looking for more information should take a look at the report:

Blowing Smoke: Correcting Anti-Wind Myths in Ontario
http://environmentaldefence.ca/reports/blowing-smoke-correcting-anti-win...

Apr
04
2012

When will people stop comparing a pick axe to dynamite


says:

What you and so many people don't get is that one can agree that the use of renewable energy is good and that wind energy has the potential to be environmentally sustainable, BUT the 'devil is in the details' as they say.
If you had done your homework you would know that the wind turbines (which bear little if any resemblance to the original Dutch windmills and actually require power to work) which are currently being planned for ON are close to double the size of what was built in Europe 20 years ago or more. You can't compare a pick axe with dynamite. Even those built as recent as 2008-09 at the Whitelee Wind industrial complex 15 km from Glasgow (it is no farm - a farm is a biological based entity) were only 295.2 ft high from base to tip of blade with a capacity of 2.3Mw, and they were built on a mainly uninhabited Moor.
If you still don't get it think of the different impact on the environment of many of the original small dams in ON, then look into the environmental damage done by the mega projects like the Hoover Dam and the Three Gorges Dam in China. When considering environmental impact size does count! While lack of understanding and knowledge may have been used in the past to-day's ' "willful blindness", especially from those claiming to be environmentalists, is a disgrace.
Not only that but there has never been any attempt to look at Life Cycle Impact of these projects - for example has anybody calculated the CO2 released into the atmosphere during the construction phase - cement production is not carbon neutral. And have you read any recent reports based on DATA out of Europe (please don't quote me the pr from the pro-wind faction - I'm still looking for real data from them to back up their claims) which show how damaging their push for renewable (mostly wind) has been?

And the negative health impacts are real, even some wind companies are admitting it grudgingly. Once again size does matter! And by the way, stop throwing out 'red herrings' to discredit the people who are trying to wake the rest of you up to a potential environmental disaster! "Peer reviewed" does not mean it is superior, more accurate or even true - consider that the recent world wide s scare about the MMR vaccine originated in a peer reviewed journal (the Lancet no less) and has since been exposed as a colossal fraud fabricated by a researcher who received more than £28 to do it. Crossover data and double crossover data sets are a valid way to identify new health problems early on, and are far more telling than using a computer model created by someone with no knowledge of human health issues or even biology! Those models are in the same category as the third part of "lies, damn lies and statistics". And it's not about NIMBYism - these people are far more humane than our ON government, and it sounds like you, because they don't want them in anybody's backyard!
So you do your homework - follow the evidence - read the documents, then read the references used by the government and the wind proponents to see if they really do support what they say they do - you may be surprised to find you can't find the referenced statement - I no longer am.
And yes, I know this takes time, hundreds and hundreds of hours on my own dime, but unlike so many I truly believe in "do no harm" and, unlike so many, I recognize that the environment is extremely complex and single point solutions that are not appropriately applied can do way more damage than good.
And so-called environmentalists that want to 'do good' but don't take the time to do more than take a superficial look at ALL the issues and systems involved do as much harm as any rampaging industrialist - in fact they even sometimes go forward arm in arm, as they are now doing with the current wind energy debate in Ontario.

Oct
05
2011

I like wind turbines but I still have questions....


says:

I agree - this topic definitely polarizes people. I think because they are new to Canadians it IS good that people have questions. I'd rather people say wind farms are good in such and such situations or with such and such caveats rather than just have people stand at polar opposites without being able to debate the middle ground. If wind turbines are 100% OK why are they still being studies (http://aeinews.org/archives/456) and why are there concerns regarding their effects on wildlife (http://www.windaction.org/news/27161) nesting, migration, etc? Is everything in this editorial false then: http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/594444 ?

I am as green (left-wing) as it goes but I also am try to educate myself on these topics rather than to blindly follow something if it sounds green. Everything has a price (i.e. hydro power creates alot of conservation concerns even though it's a "green" energy) or a trade-off. So it's hard for me to listen to someone who only wants to talk about the good without at least acknowledging the trade offs.

Would definitely like to hear more!! Thanks for continuing the debate!

Feb
13
2012

The more people learn about wind turbines ....


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the less they favor them. At first it sounds like a great environmental idea, then when one gathers the facts, reality shatters rose-colored glasses. These massive turbines transform rural areas into industrial zones, and yes, they do harm people's health! Read the new book, "Wind Turbine Syndrome," by Dr. Nina Pierpoint. So-called wind "farms" constitute energy sprawl, and all for a tiny piddle of very unreliable electricity. Mr. Carey is mistaken. Wind energy is not a new paradigm, it's not "green," and it will never be a viable substitute for coal or nuclear. Wind is intermitent and needs conventional source back-up. Why are governments subsidizing & promoting one more form of nature-depredation intead of emphasizing energy conservation? In the US, the extensive wind farms already installed meet less than 2% of our electricity demand. But the need for that measly 2% could easily be obviated by a public service campaign to reduce electricity use. I ask all environmentalists to research this supposed-panacea thoroughly. It is not a solution, just the same model-- harming nature and people's health so that the human race can continue wasteful energy consumption.

Here is a quote from James Lovelock, originator of the GAIA concept. "I was asked to open the windfarm at Delabole. At that time nobody was talking about a gigantic programme, getting 15 or 20 per cent of the country's energy from wind turbines. It was a kind of nice green gesture. Now that I know as much as I do, I wouldn't have touched it with a bargepole."

Feb
16
2012

Don't embarrass yourself by taking the anti-wind bait


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Ferar's comment is one complete load of nonsense. Wind farms are already replacing coal power - In Ontario, even though it still in its infancy, wind is producing more electricity than coal does every day.

"Wind turbine syndrome" is junk-science: disputed by every single peer-reviewed or government study every conducted on the subject. This is part of a shady movement that wants us to remain addicted to fossil fuels and the profits it generates for oil and coal companies. You really shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. You should not be so gullible as to buy into a fear-based movement attacking the cleanest sources of electricity available on the planet. Wind has been in use safely for decades!

Wind power is needed because of something anti-wind groups always ignore. Global warming is a real and serious threat caused by our use of fossil fuel. Wind and Solar may be a small part of our grid today, but thanks to our investment and effort, they will one day power our entire grid.

Wind supplies more than 20% of the grid in Germany, Denmark and Spain - and they are all aiming to use even more. It is creating wealth and jobs for farmers and communities, while protecting them from price shocks that come with using fuel based generation.

Use your brain folks.

Apr
04
2012

It is you, sir, who should be


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It is you, sir, who should be embarrassed by your lack of real knowledge. Having used my brain and done hundreds and hundreds of hours of research I'm afraid it is you are misinformed. in fact there is so much misinformation in this post it's hard to know where to start!
1) % of energy production from coal plants has been dropping for years - it was not because it was replaced by wind. In fact NOT ONE traditional plant has been closed in Europe and they are having to add more to back up unreliable wind production. In 2011 % of energy produced by fuel type was 2.6% for wind and 2.7% for coal, because we've been reducing that produced by coal for years - please get the data before you speak - not the pr of the wind companies and the government.
It's obvious from your comments that you really haven't a grasp of the complexities, and what's worse haven't even been willing to seek the truth - guess it's easier to 'greenewash' yourself than actually think.
2) I don't know how many studies you've read but this statement claiming that 'wind-turbine syndrome' is junk science and disputed by all is totally false and as time goes on your having made it will only make you look more ignorant than you appear now. And by the way, 'peer reviewed is not some 'holier than thou' state. There has been junk science published in peer reviewed journals and just recently the MMR paper that appeared in the Lancet (peer reviewed no less) that started the world-wide scare about the MMR vaccines was exposed as pure fraud, done for the money! And crossover studies and double crossover studies are a valid way to detect new health issues that were previously unknown. Additionally I've checked the references of some of those government studies you put so much faith in and they don't say what the government says they say - do your homework, don't just mouth the pr put out by those with a very big vested interest. And BTW, where's the peer reviewed papers by the wind proponents? Most I've read have been reviews (cherry-picked) and computer modelling - garbage in, garbage out! And health studies done by non-medical people don't count at all - do you want an electrical engineer treating your medical problems?
3) Find out who's behind many of the wind companies - big gas companies because they know that for every Mw of wind energy there must be a equivalent Mw of reliable traditional power. And BTW - NOT ONE traditional plant has closed in Europe, Denmark etc., they're building more to ensure a continuous supply of electricity.
4) Size matters - it's only since the monstrous turbines started coming online that major health problems started - and BTW, many other jurisdictions have much greater than ON's 550m setback. In fact in Europe with the advent of larger turbines they are recommending a 2km minimum.setback. It's not the wind energy intelligent people are against, it's the inappropriate application of it with no regard for anything but the almighty $$. Make no mistake - this is an environmental disaster in the making - think Three Gorges Damn.
5) And as for wind energy in Europe, how out of date are you anyway? Check the latest reports on job losses, health issues and moves to limit and remove subsidies (and after 2o years wind companies still can't survive without them). Why don't you do us all a favour and get your head out of the sand and start researching the facts, not regurgitating the pr.
People like you who think they are saving the planet but haven't even taken the time to research the DATA and FACTS and try and understand the complexities inherent in environmental systems do far more damage than good.